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Comment by Itoy247 on May 11, 2010 at 6:06am
i really don't remember where i read that, was really long time ago...but i remembered it because i was discussing the comics lately with Poucette and this comment was mentioned.
Comment by Miss Kitty on May 11, 2010 at 6:01am
Concerning "Destiny", I never heard about it before, me too... But I know that Joss prefers Spike's character, instead of Angel. He said it on a DVD about his work.

Extract of this interview :

"Joss : So to introduce this guy who is clearly "oh I'm such a bad ass" and then have him very tenderly in love with another vampire, so from the very beginning the idea was well he's not just, ya know a cardboard. He's, he's, he's gonna have levels to play. Um, how many I didn't at the time realize, but ah, in a way he, he really didn't change that much. Ah, he's a character that I always liked a little bit more than Angel because --

Jeff: He's got more of an edge.

Joss: He was more evolved, though. He had more of an edge, but at the same time ya know he was, ya know he chose to have a soul.

Jeff: Sure.

Joss: Ya know he ah, he learned from his mistakes and he um, Angel was kinda the classic Lestat puffy shirt, ya know...

Jeff: Right.

Joss: Um, and ah, and Spike was sort of the new mod rebellion against that, so I ah, I like that character. I always, I always thought he was a good guy even when he was a bad guy."
Comment by Maria Lopez - Fiztgerald on May 11, 2010 at 3:06am
Seriouslly he wanted Angel to win?!I've never heared about it before.I,m happy the writers wanted Spike to win because he was far better vampire than Angel ever was and ever would be.
Comment by Itoy247 on May 11, 2010 at 2:47am
I agree Veiry, But I remember I read somewhere that in episode "Destiny" Joss wanted Angel to win the fight...but the writers disagreed with him and wrote it so that Spike that Meltzer and DH are not exactly Spike fans and Joss is the one writing the final issues of the comics I'm afraid it might not go the way we want.
I'm not being pessimistic or anything, you know I want more than anything for Spike to beat Angy...(I wouldn't mind killing him even) but as much as Joss surprise us all in the TV show he obviously still have the traditional idea of the main characters should end up together because they're the main sucks...and as much as I'm happy to see Spike in the comics it also scares me...and worst of all I have to wait 4 months to find out what's going on :(
Comment by Veiriti on May 11, 2010 at 2:00am
I keep my fingers crossed Spike to stay till the end of the season 8 and to continues as a regular on season 9. I hope his heart wouldn’t be broken again… Angel’s Buffy’s destined lover. That’s not doubt – he’s the yin of her yang, her opposite energy or whatever. The Universe is planned that – a Slayer to fall in love with a vampire. So I think they have fallen in love with each other only because of some Universe's plan. BUT as Buffy said many times – she doesn’t follow her destiny. She told it to Angel again – “you don’t know me Angel, I never do what I'm meant for!” That’s why she loved Angel, but she never trusted him…
From the other hand – Spike is not her destined lover, he became her lover accidentally, but he’s her free will. They haven’t fall in love in a first sight, they build their relationship, their love step by step- they learned to trust to each other, they learned to love each other. Angel had Buffy’s love – it always was easier for him, because he was destined to have it, while Spike earned his love fighting for it, just like he has earned his soul. To earn Buffy’s love to fight against the destiny was so hard for him, but he did it. I hope we will not see him hurt again… that wouldn’t be fair…
And Zara – seeing Spike kicking Twangel’s arse would be funny. LOL And that’s reminds to the episode Destiny – where Spike defeated Angel – the destined champion, showing us again that the destiny is not written on a stone! And this makes me optimistic about Spike’s fate.
Comment by Zara on May 11, 2010 at 1:20am
After Buffy's awful sex with Angel-pink-boxers I was so desperate, that now even appearance of Spike is a great hope for me! =)))
I want to believe that Whedon was only kidding us with bangel and in the end SPUFFY will win!!
They say that after season 8 they're gonna make Buffy-9 comics. It scares me, I want it to end up with spuffy and just end! =)) Don't want even to think what they are gonna do with characters in another season...
Comment by Spike's KittyKat on May 10, 2010 at 11:49pm
LOL. I love seeing such optimism!
Comment by Zara on May 10, 2010 at 12:45pm
Peopleeeeee, I just saw new B8 issue with SPIKE!!!!!!!!!!! Can't believe it!!!
That's really something, a big something, they would not bring him back to break his heart again. I hope he will kick Angel's Twilight ass and unwise Buffy will be able to see her true happiness this time!!!! =))
Comment by Spike's KittyKat on May 9, 2010 at 7:41pm
I don't think it redeems him and to be honest I don't think that's what Joss plans at all. He said a comment that everything comes at a cost and I think he was talking about this very moment in time. Angel had sex with Buffy and right about now Buffy seems to be not remembering everything. It's as though her mind is muddled or being blocked by something. But it's not as much as Angel planned. I think Angel's plan went badly so he took a step back and decided if he couldn't keep her with him than to appear to be the good guy and go fight along side with her. I think Spike's return is going to be a big deal in that it's going to raise a lot of questions in Buffy. Up until now she's lonely and it appears as though everyone is moving forward with their life except for her. Angel comes around, some mojo with some bright light messed with her mind and she went all out with Angel. Only once she did that she realized it was to bring her to a world she didn't want to be a part of. She would rather be with her friends and family. She just didn't love Angel as much as she loved them. That I think is very IC. Right now Angel is not the most important thing in her life. She can be manipulated, tricked and distracted but she cannot have her feelings with her friends and family removed.

But yea Angel isn't redeemed. I think there's a lot more to this than meets the eye or as that interview said with Joss, that Angel wouldn't have been leaked so quickly in the series.

It's an interesting idea that Itroy brought up about why Angel lost his soul back when Buffy was a 17 year old virgin yet never again minus a vision of Cordelia and him having sex (Which to me was really interesting in itself). You are very right. He had sex with Nina, Darla, Eve...I think that's it and yet no big happy. It's an interesting factor to ponder.
Comment by Maria Lopez - Fiztgerald on May 9, 2010 at 2:33pm
So ley me get this straight.Just because Angel went back whit Buffy t her friends means he is reedemed?Bullshit!Angel was ready to leave the Scobbies fight alone and probably die if it wasn't for Buffy wanting to come back.She MADE HIM COME BACK.He didn't want to go back voluntrally.That doesn't make him redemable,it only makes him worst.And about the Buffy/Ange loosing soul theory.I don't know.I just think Angel needs sex to lost his soul,I maybe wrong but he could have lost his soul when Buffy said she loves him or when he was simply whit her .I mean Buffy telling him she loves him should have had some great meaning to him but that didn't make him loose his soul and trought the ATS series Angel was afarid of having relationship whit any woman and the main reaosn was because he could loose his soul when he was having sex whit her so maybe he really needed sex so that he coud loose his soul.

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