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Articles & Essays - Analysis of The Buffyverse 10 Replies

PLEASE post any information and links for articles and analysis on either Buffy or Angel - especially any work regarding the TV Era - but we are looking for analysis of comic book series also. Hoping…Continue

Started by cil domney. Last reply by cil domney Sep 3, 2015.

Related Topics Of Interested 4 Replies

Post topics that are connected with Fan Fiction and Fan Art - pretty much open on subjects that relate to The Buffyverse from literature to original art and artists, writers, films -

Started by cil domney. Last reply by cil domney May 4, 2014.

Spuffy Recommends - 65 Replies

Here is one outstanding Buffy Season Eight - from Sosa Lola, very active writer and does lot of posting at some of the larger fan sites. Think you will really like the story and it is updated on a…Continue

Tags: buffy, spike, fiction, fan, spuffy

Started by cil domney. Last reply by cil domney Apr 28, 2014.

Dark or Fluffy or Something Else? 31 Replies

Do you have a preference for type of Spuffy Fan Fiction?  Do you find that your preference changed as the series developed or with time? Do you like more of the "fantasy" or  "alternate universe" …Continue

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Started by cil domney. Last reply by cil domney May 28, 2013.

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Comment by cil domney on March 9, 2014 at 12:33pm

Think you might like this one - 

Case Notes on Summers, Buffy by Shadowlass

Comment by cil domney on February 26, 2014 at 7:25am

I enjoyed this alternative reality/time travel for Season 7 battle against The First Evil.  All the character are handled well with one exception of The First Evil, and unfortunately it is a big exception.  Not sure why the author chose to take this interpretation for the character but it does detract from what, IMO, is an otherwise very good story.

Comment by cil domney on February 23, 2014 at 3:11pm

For those of you who like the FF by Holly - here is the link for TWBM for her story that is not posted at many of sites - hard to find.

story:  Vinum et Rosae

Comment by Lulurose on January 19, 2014 at 12:03pm

Well, I see that I am behind the times. Ah, well...

As mentioned, I really don't know exactly how this works. I primarily was looking at it from the POV of being able to create without running afoul of the companies who have become paranoid, IMO, over their "properties." It's a legitimate complaint if someone was providing copies of the entire show from their website. However, anything that is based on anything licensed-whether or not any profit is being made, can be in danger of receiving a cease and desist order. The writers of fan fiction, or artists who draw any image of a Buffy character, and especially those of us who are vidders can receive a take down notice at any point that a media company decides that, in their opinion, it infringes on their rights. They are allowed to be totally arbitrary. I learned this myself out on Youtube-not that I am the only one. I have several Buffy vids out there-still do. However, there was this one particular one that I did on Spike that I did to a song by Gary Numan. The only difference I can see is that it was generating a lot of "hits," so I have assumed that brought the video police out, and so Youtube removed my vid. Unfortunately, this was the one vid that-at the time-I hadn't made a copy of, so it's lost to posterity. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm glad that Fox hasn't forced Youtube to remove all the Buffy videos. However, if they insist that the vids are infringing on their rights, then why don't they insist on the removal of them all? I mean, what is the criteria that constitutes infringement? Is it because one has ten seconds more of a clip, so that makes it large enough to be in violation of the law? I know Europe has its own, more international standards, because of the membership in the EU-and here in the US we have adapted some of those. However, those of us here in the US are in need of our government to hammer out new laws, and we definitely need those organizations out here that have been on the forefront of defending the creative freedom of vidders and fan fic writers to make sure they are included in the process.

Of course, there are always tradeoffs. Unless you do "self publish," its a given that some other company is going to get a piece of your property. Now, I can "self publish" my own, totally creative work, and, sometimes, if enough people read it, and like it, it can become a relatively successful, known work. It seems that the few people out here who manage to gain some notoriety for their work always end up making some deal with the more traditional companies anyway. However, when you "self publish" a story based on a licensed property, like Buffy, if you don't keep it in a very small venue with a limited set of readers, or viewers in the case of vidders, then it can definitely be a target. It may not be a perfect solution, but small venues like Buffytube are the type of environment where-or at least I have read this-where fans can enjoy some degree of creative "freedom." The reason is, supposedly, that its a private site, with a small amount of registered, non-paying members since the site is maintained and paid for by a private individual, and isn't dependent at all on any kind of outside revenue, like ads. The reasoning, further, is that its considered like Cil would be hosting a private Buffy fan club meeting at her home, where the members would congregate and watch episodes and discuss them, or make vids or write stories to share exclusively with the membership. It's like a last, small fort on the vast, voracious electronic frontier.

Comment by Double Dutchess on January 18, 2014 at 3:22pm

Hi _Buffy_, right now I'm reading Rahirah's work (Barb C on Elysian Fields) which I think is very good. I had already read several of her stories, but not all of them, and I'm making up for that now. You can find more recommendations in our Spuffy Recommends discussion thread; see link above.

Comment by _Buffy_ on January 18, 2014 at 6:03am

I so much want to read some really good Spuffy fic. May you recommend me some ?  The last fic I read was in  Ëlyseian Fields "site - about Spike becoming a human. I didn't  like the plot exactly.

Comment by cil domney on January 18, 2014 at 1:55am

The sad fact is that more and more the internet is being used as a vehicle for the profit making mentality.  What was always free and open to be used and accessed freely by millions is more and more going into the Pay for Service & Use.  

It reads to me like Amazon and the entertainment industry and publisher is just taking the "use fans for free advertising" to the next level - 

The art field has for years made money off artists on websites the sell art or feature art in publications - the only problem is that there are hundreds of artists on these sites and they get lost in the large numbers.  The sites make their money by charging the artists but most of the artist never have sales or have very little sales.   

Comment by cil domney on January 18, 2014 at 1:26am

Amazon already has their Kindle feature which a lot of the self-publish writers and publishers use.  Lot of the former fanfiction writers have gone this way with the originals works.  Some of the former ff writers have only the Kindle or e-books available for purchase, others have had their works in actual books for sale.  

I just bought the novel from one of my favorite Spuffy writers - lizzerbeathan but this is the only one that I have ever purchased.  I have never come across fanfiction offered for sale and frankly, while I love reading ff I read it because I love the Buffyverse characters not because I think the writing is great.  There are a great many outstanding writers of fanfiction, especially now when most of the earlier writers who did some dreadful work are no longer involved with Buffy FF.  But, the Buffyverse FF writers are still writing for a very specific  readership and I suspect that most of their readers do not follow them into their original works.  In all the years that I have been reading FF this is the first time that I have ever purchased an original work.  

I would not mind paying to read novel length works or a long series - the writers have devoted a huge amount of time and effort into their creations.  But one thing that I would need is for the prices to be very reasonable because if I did not like what I purchased I could always just stop reading as I do now.  It's quite different if I have to pay $10 and decide the book or series is not something that I like and chose not to continue reading.  

The sad case for the FF writers is that they would have to be competing with professional writers and the thousands of classics that already exist.  Once I have made a decision to purchase a novel or short stories I would chose to read a classic novel and author or a current book is has received attention in a periodical or other source.  

One of the reason that I never read the Buffyverse characters as Human Fantasy Realities is that if I am going to be reading a work based on real life situations and not the TV franchise is that I am going to read a professional writer or classic.  The value to me of the FF writers is that they are giving me a way to continue to enjoy my love of the Buffyverse characters.  

I love the idea of fanfiction and how it is brought in this awesome creative force into the lives of fans.  It has created writers who I suspect would have given up their love of writing or never even tried to write.  It's the same for the fan art  - so many fans would never have started doing art or digital art without their passion and love for TV or Film characters.  

Comment by Double Dutchess on January 16, 2014 at 6:06am

I've heard about this, but I have the impression that the initiative has not been very positively received in the fanfic community.

Note that authors who make use of this will give away the rights to their stories to Amazon.

And personally, I don't like the idea of fanfiction turning into a commercial business (or vidding, for that matter).

Comment by Lulurose on January 16, 2014 at 1:24am

Hi, everyone.

I just read something that I thought would be of interest to all of you who enjoy fan fiction.

I also like The Vampire Diaries, and there was info one one of their fan sites concerning the original author of the book series. The original TVD books were written by L. J. Smith. A few years ago the TVD fandom was rocked by the fact that the company that publishes the stories removed Ms. Smith as the author, and the stories have continued under unknown authors who are basically "ghost writers." Anyway, as a win/win for a great many fans, the company/companies that have the rights have given permission, basically for Ms. Smith to continue her vision of the world that she actually created for Elena Gilbert and Stefan and Damon Salavador, and their friends.

Amazon, which has its own Kindle brand, is the company that has made this agreement with the TVD owners, and some agreements with some other media and publishing companies to allow people to publish their own fan fiction. These items are going to be published under a section of the Kindle brand called Kindle Worlds. I'm not quite clear on how it works, and right now, Fox is not one of the companies listed as one that's given permission for Amazon/Kindle to publish stories based on their properties. However, if Fox does decide that this would be in their interest, then perhaps some of the better known fan fiction writers of the Whedonverse might get a chance to put their work out there, and earn a few bucks.

Here a link to the site, so you can read about it for yourself.

I think this is really a positive step in the war over intellectual rights and fans and creative freedom, and I hope that we can soon see the same thing applied to fan video production.


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